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Terry Suchma
07-28-2006, 04:48 PM
Dear Landlords,

We attempted to start a new colony here at the office in Shorewood, IL.

We have all heard how difficult it is to get martins going in the Chicago metro area. The office is now about 45 miles SW of Chicago and at the farthest limits of Chicago's suburbia before it is more rural.

There is a 4-5 acre lake outside with an open area and this is where a new Troyer-14 house stands.

In addition, there is a landlord that lives about 2-3 miles away but closer as the martin flies.

OK, there is:

1. Good location
2. On water
3. Site is clear for open approach and departure by martins
4. Good martin house
5. Played every lure sound available
6. Landlords have excellent management skills
7. Best summer on record, weather wise, in many seasons.
8. Lots of insects


Despite all of these good things--No martins!

The office had visitors but no takers.

WHY?

After a short analysis, we think it was because we had Tree Swallows.

At our last office site in Burr Ridge, IL, some 20 miles SW of Chicago right, smack, in the Chicago suburbia, we had no Tree Swallows. While we have known how difficult, pugnacious and tenacious these little martin cousins can be, we had no idea how formidible an opponent we were dealing with during the martin season. We just did not know!

We already are well aware of the Tree Swallow Emergency page by Dan Drew. We knew from Dan's philosophy that if PM wannabes erected a bluebird house up in the close vicinity of a newly installed PM house and pole, and steered the TSs to this house, that once they nested, bred and produced "one" egg, that they would defend the entire PM colony site from all other Tree Swallows.

That they did! When the Tree Swallows laid that one egg, we surely thought, "We are in like Fling!"

The Tree Swallows not only did an outstanding job in keeping out several other nest competitor Tree Swallows but also defended it agains all Red Winged Blackbirds, American Robins, Mourning Doves, Spotted Sandpipers, crows, grackles, etc.

No species of bird was spared their aggressiveness.

Whenever martins came, it didn't matter where the Tree Swallows were, they saw the martins as intruders and would swoop past and knock the martins' blocks off.

Repeatedly!

Over and over, again!

Why would any self-respecting martins come back?

Was this an aberrant pair? Or, just the norm for Tree Swallows?

The only time we observed Tree Swallows reneging on their vendetta was when their young were older and more demanding for nurishment. At this time, the martins were quite occupied with their own family needs.

Even the new Eastern Bluebird that wanted to nest in our yard had great difficulty in staying. Before we knew we had a bluebird, we observed Ma and Pa Tree Swallow pinning some bird down on the ground. We looked to see if it was an unsuspecting martin or another Tree Swallow. We were very surprised and excited to see it was a bluebird.

We broke that entanglement up and quickly put out another bluebird house at the other end of the lot.

Day 2 we observed that the bluebird had one of the Tree Swallows down on the ground in the same stranglehold we witnessed by the Tree Swallows the preceding day.

Day 3, fortunately, there appeared to be some kind of understanding now between the partnerless bluebird and the nesting Tree Swallows. However, there contineued to be many, daily minor skirmishes due to the fact that the bluebird was focused on owning every perchtop in the lot. All high perching places were used, including the PM house as well as the top of the Tree Swallows box.

Well, the Tree Swallows fledged three young and the bluebirds (yes, he finally found a female coming down the pike) are still tending to a nest of five bluebird young.

Next season what should we do?

If we had an established colony of martins, there would be little problem with these Tree Swallow terrorisits. PMs would quickly put them into their place. Afterall, PMs are top swallows.

The problem, we think, arose due to the fact that we were attempting to attract subadult martins here. And, as we all know, how lilly livered these first year adults can be. Every bird bosses them around and dictates what females they can match up with and which compartments they can take. They are no match for feisty and very territorial Tree Swallows.

At the same time, we easily attracted a subadult pair of Tree Swallows.

Both subadult species arrive later than do their adult counterparts.

Had the office attracted an early adult pair of Tree Swallows, it is very possible that the adult pair would have finished their nesting / breeding cycle in time for us to still successfully attract subadult PMs.

While we did enjoy the little terrorists here, we know that next season, we are abandoning the Tree Swallow Emergency theory and keep out all nesting seeking Tree Swallows until we have martins firmly entrenched here.

Tree Swallows are more of a problem than we even thought. We are wiser here now and will chalk this all down to experience. Our thinking on Tree Swallows has drastically changed.

Who knew?
Terry

Ray Feld
07-28-2006, 06:16 PM
Terry, you are right on the money with this! We have had blue birds for the last 5 years in our yard until this year when we were delighted (at first) with our first pair of tree swallows.

In past years, the blue birds were always here first. They would chase away investigating tree swallows. This year the tree swallows arrived first and chased away at leat 5 pairs of investigating blue birds.

As you know, we have also been trying to attract martins to our yard for quite some time. In the past the blue birds chased away the martins. This year it was the tree swallows chasing away the martins and pretty much any other bird that came into the yard.

Yes I have followed Dan's methods exactly and no I don't have martins.

So this year instead of at least having two nestings of blue birds like in the past, we had one pair of tree swallows. To top it off, the tree swallows laid 5 eggs and because of the cold weather early in the season, only 1 hatched and fledged.

Bottom line....next year I am going to re-think this whole blue bird, tree swallow, martin theory.

Ray Feld
07-28-2006, 07:06 PM
Terry...now I am going to give the other side of the story.

As you know I started a colony at Cantigny Golf Course last year which is abour 2 miles south of my home. I had tree swallows in the martin house early last spring, so I put in 2 blue bird houses close together and closed the martin house. The tree swallows went into the BB house and started nesting. I then opened the martin house and attracted a pair of SY martins the first year the house was in place. Then later after the tree swallows fledged, a pair of blue birds moved into the second house.

This year the martins came back first. Then a pair of tree swallows moved into one of the BB houses, and then a pair of BB's moved into the second BB house. Now I have the triple crown of birding with all 3 of the most desireable cavity nesters nesting within about 25 feet of each other.

So now I don't know what to think! In my backyard I had the problem described in the previous post. At the golf course I have all 3 species nesting in the same location.

The only difference is Location....Location....Location!!!!!

I think that's what it all boils down to.

Another possibility is the mix of birds...and who knows what goes on in their bird brains....

Lou King
07-28-2006, 08:14 PM
Although I've never seen TS chasing any visiting PMs, I'm still without PMs. This year, even the TS didn't nest. They started, but then we had a cold spell, and they disappeared, never to return to nest. I've seen them quite a bit all summer, but none have moved in. I've also never seen my BBs chase the PMs. However, even having supposedly done things right, still no PMs. I really don't have a clue what to do now. ha ha. CUL Lou

Donna Rieck
07-29-2006, 12:47 PM
Terry, your tree swallows will return next year as adults and will arrive earlier than they did this year, before any martins show up. At least that is the experience we had. The first year we had a martin house up (1997) we got tree swallows on June 1. Since we had no martins we were happy they stayed and nested. The following year I put up two BB boxes, kept the martin house closed and they finally nested in the BB box. They have been back every year since and even though I have added 5 more BB boxes this pair takes the same box and are always the first to nest. Last year we had one pair of bluebirds (unfortunately the young died) plus the tree swallows and we got two SY martin pairs! This year we have 4 martin nests, four tree swallow nests, two robin nests plus the song sparrows, red winged blackbirds, house finches, goldfinches, ducks, geese, etc all nesting in harmony! There's even green herons and a pair of kingfishers on the nearby pond. What we don't have are any nesting sparrows-wonder why? BTW, we have had other martin nesting attempts over the years but they were foiled by the sparrows. Now we know how to take care of that problem.